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-- that there will be pain in their rv is pain but the pain -- he thinks it's a pain that will russia will be able to stand he thinks crimea is a place that russia cannot afford to have moving into western orbits and it would be a disaster for russia. he takes the pain is now at a level that he can stand it so this i think is very much the kind of thing i had in mind when i was talking about the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century more and more government starts saying we will take the risk on using force. maybe that is not the worst option still open to us. we have a gentleman in the first row. >> one disinterested in your premise sounds great and i think it in terms of the roman empire and it seems like a great example for the pacification that you don't destroy the income flow. but in my own mind i think of war now and in the future and the recent past as a small terrorist attacks and sew them massive armies and what happens i can understand clearly. can you apply your thoughts to the smaller terrorists? >> yeah. this is something i thought about quite a lot as i was writing the book, the
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